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Exactly what constitutes a "sense&quo...zed:<br />8x<br />Exactly what constitutes a "sense" in Malworld?<br />My bet is it's something that "isnt really there". lol ;)<br />x8<br /><br /><br />MallyWally:<br />8x<br />There is nothing to "compensate" for! It is what's called ***thinking.*** ...<br />x8<br /><br />Billy the magic cat:<br />8x<br />The endorsement of such a contradiction makes it both false and unworthy of further comment.<br />x8<br /><br /><br /><br />Oh how we laughed!<br /> <br />zedinhisbigflyingheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01004291514521879299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15975119.post-71372241655516040972013-05-06T07:50:26.391-07:002013-05-06T07:50:26.391-07:00Stranger aka AndrewR: ""The senses are u...Stranger aka AndrewR: ""The senses are usually contrasted with the conceptual/abstract/thinking part of consciousness." No they aren't"<br /><br />LOL. You appear not to know the meaning of "contrasted." Tell me it ain't so.<br /><br />"The input from our senses is processed well before our consciousness becomes aware of what our senses detect"<br /><br />LOL So we are conscious before we are conscious?! Your name change didn't improve your intelligence.MalcolmSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15975119.post-43309149722213064552013-05-06T02:32:33.232-07:002013-05-06T02:32:33.232-07:00" The senses are usually contrasted with the ..." The senses are usually contrasted with the conceptual/abstract/thinking part of consciousness."<br /><br />No they aren't. The input from our senses is processed well before our consciousness becomes aware of what our senses detect.<br /><br />Not surprised you didn't know that.Strangerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17489942433860007521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15975119.post-46489264639407340922013-05-06T00:35:33.674-07:002013-05-06T00:35:33.674-07:00?? "Exactly what constitutes a "sense&qu...<br />?? "Exactly what constitutes a "sense" in Malworld?" ??<br /><br />!! "It refers to the information received by our sense organs" !!<br /><br />Well then,I must send a stern note to my eyeball to be more attentive from now on<br /><br />!*! Surprised you didn't know that. !*!<br /><br />Sorry ol' chap, but as you may have gathered, I'm not a local<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayatana<br />I would guess that theres a good pie shop there though ;)<br />http://bitly.com/YyXCTazedinhisbigflyingheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01004291514521879299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15975119.post-46645852381407450102013-05-05T23:56:04.084-07:002013-05-05T23:56:04.084-07:00Yes Terry, in the informed world. But not in your ...Yes Terry, in the informed world. But not in your irrational world.MalcolmSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15975119.post-45967904622319733652013-05-05T23:23:52.785-07:002013-05-05T23:23:52.785-07:00Mal: The senses are usually contrasted with the co...Mal: The senses are usually contrasted with the conceptual/abstract/thinking part of consciousness.<br /><br />In your little underground movement, maybe. But not in the informed world.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15975119.post-6318209801379943162013-05-05T23:03:44.403-07:002013-05-05T23:03:44.403-07:00zedinhisbigloonyhead: "Exactly what constitut...zedinhisbigloonyhead: "Exactly what constitutes a "sense" in Malworld?"<br /><br />It refers to the information received by our sense organs: sight, sound, smell, taste and touch - our only contact with the external world. The senses are usually contrasted with the conceptual/abstract/thinking part of consciousness.<br /><br />Surprised you didn't know that.MalcolmSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15975119.post-10319262050424049912013-05-05T23:00:29.459-07:002013-05-05T23:00:29.459-07:00zedinhisbigloonyhead[to Robin]: "Clearly it *...zedinhisbigloonyhead[to Robin]: "Clearly it **is** an illusion if you ***are required to cognitively compensate for your immediate sensory input in order to*** understand that they don't meet"<br /><br />There is nothing to "compensate" for! It is what's called ***thinking.*** I recommend it for your immediate consideration.MalcolmSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15975119.post-78530924780644010642013-05-05T20:10:50.816-07:002013-05-05T20:10:50.816-07:008x
Clearly it is not an illusion if you understand...8x<br />Clearly it is not an illusion if you understand that the don't meet.<br />x8<br /><br />Whaaat the??<br />do you understand the meaning of understand?<br /><br />Allow me to assist with this sentence.<br /><br />Ahem:<br /><br />Clearly it **is** an illusion if you ***are required to cognitively compensate for your immediate sensory input in order to*** understand that they don't meet.<br /><br />I can help with some more if you would like...<br />zedinhisbigflyingheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01004291514521879299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15975119.post-26988669998267201342013-05-05T18:25:20.716-07:002013-05-05T18:25:20.716-07:00Stranger wrote: "When you look at train track...Stranger wrote: "When you look at train tracks going off into the distance do they really meet at a point or is that just an illusion?"<br /><br />The obvious answer is that it is only an illusion if you see this and believe that they do actually meet.<br /><br />Clearly it is not an illusion if you understand that the don't meet.<br /><br />If I take a picture with a camera then the image will obviously include perspective. That is not unreliability, that is just physics.<br /><br />In fact if the camera created an image in which the tracks did not meet then clearly the camera would be unreliable.<br /><br />If I then look at the image and see the tracks meeting as expected then in what way have my senses deceived me?<br /><br />If you were to say, instead, that sense data is capable of being misinterepreted then - yes of course.<br /><br />It is clearly not possible for us to collect and represent all the information of our environment and we would not expect to.<br />Robinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015911138886238144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15975119.post-16249075071300414042013-05-05T14:19:15.147-07:002013-05-05T14:19:15.147-07:00MallyWally
"HAS TO"
"HAS TO"
...MallyWally<br /><br />"HAS TO"<br />"HAS TO"<br />"HAS TO"<br /><br /><br />From "The Forest People"<br /><br />http://archive.org/stream/forestpeople00turn/forestpeople00turn_djvu.txt<br /><br /><br />8x<br />When I told Kenge that the insects were buffalo, he roared with <br />laughter and told me not to tell such stupid lies. When Henri, who <br />was thoroughly puzzled, told him the same thing and explained <br />that visitors to the park had to have a guide with them at all times <br />because there were so many dangerous animals, Kenge still did not <br />believe, but he strained his eyes to see more clearly and asked what <br />kind of buffalo were so small. I told him they were sometimes nearly <br />twice the size of a forest buffalo, and he shrugged his shoulders and <br />said we would not be standing out there in the open if they were. <br />I tried telling him they were possibly as far away as from Epulu to <br />the village of Kopu, beyond Eboyo. He began scraping the mud off <br />his arms and legs, no longer interested in such fantasies. <br /><br />The road led on down to within about half a mile of where the <br />herd was grazing, and as we got closer, the "insects" must have <br />seemed to get bigger and bigger. Kenge, who was now sitting on the <br />outside, kept his face glued to the window, which nothing would <br />make him lower. I even had to raise mine to keep him happy. I was <br />never able to discover just what he thought was happening — whether <br />he thought that the insects were changing into buffalo, or that they <br />were miniature buffalo growing rapidly as we approached. His only <br />comment was that they were not real buffalo, and he was not going <br />to get out of the car again until we left the park.<br />x8<br /><br /><br />Hay guyz!<br /><br />Did you know you can make the big "HAS TO" into a normal size "has to" just by sitting further away from the screen?<br /><br />Triez it. Really worx!<br /><br />zedinhisbigflyingheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01004291514521879299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15975119.post-25883392850066157052013-05-05T14:17:55.877-07:002013-05-05T14:17:55.877-07:00Hello.
One of my comments appears to have vanished...Hello.<br />One of my comments appears to have vanished<br />I'll repost it as a reply to this onezedinhisbigflyingheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01004291514521879299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15975119.post-50223664251582971452013-05-05T14:15:15.054-07:002013-05-05T14:15:15.054-07:008x
the origins of hallucinations are not examples ...8x<br />the origins of hallucinations are not examples of the senses malfunctioning.<br />x8<br /><br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_system<br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sense_deprivation#Negative_effects<br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Checker_shadow_illusion<br /><br /><br />Question:<br />Exactly what constitutes a "sense" in Malworld?<br />My bet is it's something that "isn't really there". lol ;)<br />zedinhisbigflyingheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01004291514521879299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15975119.post-22364972518774537662013-05-05T07:52:50.217-07:002013-05-05T07:52:50.217-07:00Stranger aka AndrewR: "When you look at train...Stranger aka AndrewR: "When you look at train tracks going off into the distance do they really meet at a point or is that just an illusion?"<br /><br />When you observe a friend on the distant horizon and he appears the size of an ant, even though you know he is 6 feet tall when standing next to you, is that an illusion? Or a contradiction? Or evidence for the senses being unreliable/invalid?<br /><br />When you observe a new Moon rising and it appears the size of a 10 cent piece when you know that the diameter of the Moon is 3474 km, is that an illusion? Or a contradiction? Or evidence for the senses being unreliable/invalid?<br /><br />Answer to all questions: NO!<br /><br />The further the distance away the smaller the distance between the train tracks HAS TO appear. The further the distance away the smaller the man HAS TO appear. The further the distance away the Moon is the smaller it HAS TO appear. In all cases the sense perception had to be as observed. It could not be otherwise. If it had been otherwise you would have witnessed a miracle folks - not sense perception.MalcolmSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15975119.post-50422626947059364402013-05-05T05:08:58.647-07:002013-05-05T05:08:58.647-07:00"How do you know that if your senses are inva..."How do you know that if your senses are invalid?? :)"<br /><br />I didn't say they were invalid, I said they were unreliable. You need to brush up on your reading comprehension.<br /><br />" But, then, nor is there an illusion."<br /><br />Yes there is an illusion, the tracks do not meet.<br /><br />"They are easily addressed[and dismissed].'<br /><br />Go on then. You still haven't managed to dismiss the train tracks.<br /><br />" the origins of hallucinations are not examples of the senses malfunctioning."<br /><br />I didn't say they were, boy you are dumb. Strangerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17489942433860007521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15975119.post-21595867056203693572013-05-05T04:37:50.951-07:002013-05-05T04:37:50.951-07:00Stranger aka AndrewR: "It is an illusion beca...Stranger aka AndrewR: "It is an illusion because they[train tracks] don't meet at a point"<br /><br />How do you know that if your senses are invalid?? :)<br /><br />"If I have not encountered train tracks before where would the error be in thinking they did meet in the distance?"<br /><br />There is no error if a child has not thought about the matter. But, then, nor is there an illusion. The error consists, with people such as yourself, in arriving at adulthood and still believing the crap you have always had rammed down your throat.<br /><br />"I see you couldn't address any of the other examples"<br /><br />They are easily addressed[and dismissed]. But I'll wait until you get the easy example dopey. If you are so incompetent there is no point in going further.<br /><br />But here's a teaser: the origins of hallucinations are not examples of the senses malfunctioning. Their cognitive/neurological causes are much more complex.MalcolmSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15975119.post-52150437320144310932013-05-05T02:14:06.533-07:002013-05-05T02:14:06.533-07:00Zed wrote: "Play cards much?"
Now and t...Zed wrote: "Play cards much?"<br /><br />Now and then. Why do you ask?Robinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015911138886238144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15975119.post-28783920758541838222013-05-05T01:07:34.785-07:002013-05-05T01:07:34.785-07:00"It is not an illusion AND they don't mee..."It is not an illusion AND they don't meet at a point."<br /><br />It is an illusion because they don't meet at a point.<br /><br />" What you see when you look at train tracks going off into the distance cannot be otherwise given the nature of reality and your senses. "<br /><br />So you agree our senses are unreliable in telling us about reality. <br /><br />"If you conclude that the tracks meet at a distance then that is an error of your thinking[reasoning] mind - not your senses."<br /><br />If I have not encountered train tracks before where would the error be in thinking they did meet in the distance?<br /><br />I see you couldn't address any of the other examples.Strangerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17489942433860007521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15975119.post-169313334183369662013-05-05T00:00:10.691-07:002013-05-05T00:00:10.691-07:00Terry wrote: "How am I supposed to take you s...Terry wrote: "How am I supposed to take you seriously when you ask stupid questions like this?"<br /><br />How am I supposed to take you seriously when you fail to realise that this is a light-hearted response to your own stupid question?<br /><br />Apparently you take yourself seriously after asking me if "from my experience" referred to billions of people.<br /><br />And yet you say you cannot take me seriously if I make fun of your question.<br /><br />Curious. Robinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015911138886238144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15975119.post-42005948964076830892013-05-04T22:06:42.443-07:002013-05-04T22:06:42.443-07:00Stranger aka AndrewR: "When you look at train...Stranger aka AndrewR: "When you look at train tracks going off into the distance do they really meet at a point or is that just an illusion?"<br /><br />Fallacy of false alternative. It is not an illusion AND they don't meet at a point. What you see when you look at train tracks going off into the distance cannot be otherwise given the nature of reality and your senses. "Illusions" are what magicians do! You are confusing illusion with *perspective.*<br /><br />If you conclude that the tracks meet at a distance then that is an error of your thinking[reasoning] mind - not your senses.MalcolmSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15975119.post-83539438484965836692013-05-04T22:00:22.488-07:002013-05-04T22:00:22.488-07:00Terry: "It’s not a fact, Mal. It’s a delusion...Terry: "It’s not a fact, Mal. It’s a delusion"<br /><br />... a delusion which is all yours.MalcolmSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15975119.post-72344027463109120642013-05-04T21:58:39.745-07:002013-05-04T21:58:39.745-07:00Terry: "Mal: ... There’s the old article of f...Terry: "Mal: ... There’s the old article of faith again"<br /><br />You cannot possibly know that if your senses are invalid. In fact you couldn't even know that you are reading the screen in front of you if your senses are invalid. Or that there *is* a screen in front of you! That your senses are valid is axiomatic from the moment a healthy newborn can focus its eyes. All knowledge *originates* from the evidence of the senses - you cannot get beneath it.MalcolmSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15975119.post-21028577658742543782013-05-04T20:42:59.602-07:002013-05-04T20:42:59.602-07:00"The senses are reliable. In fact, what you p..."The senses are reliable. In fact, what you perceive via your senses cannot be otherwise."<br /><br />Auditory and visual hallucinations, short/long sightedness, colour blindness, deafness to certain frequencies, olfactory degradation, synesthesia, tinnitis. When we focus on a task we can fail to see (or hear) things in our line of vision. It's long been known that eye-witness accounts aren't all that reliable. When you look at train tracks going off into the distance do they really meet at a point or is that just an illusion?<br />Strangerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17489942433860007521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15975119.post-8505357689695699222013-05-04T18:46:31.025-07:002013-05-04T18:46:31.025-07:00Robin: So let me clarify Terry - you are asking me...Robin: So let me clarify Terry - you are asking me if I have spoken to billions of people, yes?<br /><br />How am I supposed to take you seriously when you ask stupid questions like this?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15975119.post-40016594145842770812013-05-04T18:35:24.784-07:002013-05-04T18:35:24.784-07:00Mal: (1) The senses are reliable.
There’s the old...Mal: (1) The senses are reliable.<br /><br />There’s the old article of faith again. I suppose if you say it often enough someone will eventually believe you out of boredom.<br /><br />And (2) What you conveniently ignore is the fact that your [faculty of] reason has the capacity to study itself.<br /><br />It’s not a fact, Mal. It’s a delusion. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com