tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15975119.post998836433166529203..comments2023-07-21T03:05:37.043-07:00Comments on Godless Gross: Death of a womanUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger220125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15975119.post-84273902542816412392013-08-09T17:11:12.773-07:002013-08-09T17:11:12.773-07:00"On the other hand there are clearly facts, s..."On the other hand there are clearly facts, such as facts about prime numbers and algorithms, that would survive the death of this Universe."<br /><br />Why would they do that?Strangerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17489942433860007521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15975119.post-72135584852139888112013-08-09T05:51:03.066-07:002013-08-09T05:51:03.066-07:00Stranger wrote: "No there wouldn't as the...Stranger wrote: "No there wouldn't as there'd be no minds to determine facts."<br /><br />I finally agree with you. There are no facts in the absence of minds.<br /><br />On the other hand there are clearly facts, such as facts about prime numbers and algorithms, that would survive the death of this Universe.Robinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015911138886238144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15975119.post-76891030197620444862013-08-09T05:12:06.916-07:002013-08-09T05:12:06.916-07:00MalcolmS wrote: "Without a conceptual conscio...MalcolmS wrote: "Without a conceptual consciousness no mathematics is possible."<br /><br />I completely agree - that is rather the whole point.<br /><br /><br />MalcolmS wrote: "If a deadly virus was to wipe all cognitive beings out of existence, then, mathematics would cease to exist."<br /><br />So would you agree that if it were the case that mathematics could not be made to cease to exist by a virus or by any physical means then this would imply that there is at least one mind that could not be wiped out by any physical means.<br /><br />Right?<br /><br />MalcolmS wrote: "It is simply not true that mind or mathematics is required for mechanistic reality."<br /><br />That is your claim at least.<br /><br />Based on this you would presumably say that in a universe which behaved according to completely different physical laws the mathematics that was true in this universe might be false in that universe.<br /><br />Do you agree?Robinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015911138886238144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15975119.post-75663700420266869592013-08-08T18:28:19.266-07:002013-08-08T18:28:19.266-07:00Great blog Dick, so true and people who oppose Great blog Dick, so true and people who oppose Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15975119.post-66669793974370597272013-08-08T12:34:17.168-07:002013-08-08T12:34:17.168-07:008x
I refuse to accept the claim that Justin Bieber...8x<br />I refuse to accept the claim that Justin Bieber CDs are necessary.<br />x8<br /><br />I'd say you've never been to a party at mal's place then. ;)Billy The Magic Cathttp://catwisdom101.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Cat-catnip-domino-feral-humor-quote.jpgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15975119.post-86832572799541369782013-08-07T03:38:15.644-07:002013-08-07T03:38:15.644-07:00"Everything that exists is necessary or it wo..."Everything that exists is necessary or it would not be. It has to be."<br /><br />I refuse to accept the claim that Justin Bieber CDs are necessary.LJSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15975119.post-54898368928993369052013-08-07T00:51:02.520-07:002013-08-07T00:51:02.520-07:00I love you so much right now RalphI love you so much right now Ralphzedinhisbigflyingheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01004291514521879299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15975119.post-12946587929204180322013-08-07T00:44:14.547-07:002013-08-07T00:44:14.547-07:008x
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"So you don't know what necess...8x<br />8:18 PM<br />"So you don't know what necessary means"<br /><br />8:27 PM<br />"So you don't know what necessary means"<br /><br />8:30 PM<br />"So you don't know what necessary means"<br />x8<br /><br />Clue for any visiting nobjectivists:<br /><br />That wasn't necessary<br />Billy The Magic Cathttp://catwisdom101.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Cat-catnip-domino-feral-humor-quote.jpgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15975119.post-77215864265083202042013-08-06T20:07:34.644-07:002013-08-06T20:07:34.644-07:00“My retirement was early because I could afford it...“My retirement was early because I could afford it.” (MalcolmS6:21 PM)<br /><br />God really has been good to you Malcolm.RalphH 07/08noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15975119.post-25883030391292755102013-08-06T18:46:36.677-07:002013-08-06T18:46:36.677-07:00"Yes Stranger, I'm 'stupid' enoug..."Yes Stranger, I'm 'stupid' enough to be impressed by one of the top four intellects in recorded history. Pretty stupid hey?"<br /><br />Yes Ralph it is amazingly stupid to believe that cows live on Mercury based on Swdednborg's logic.<br /><br />"It would be really handy if you read what you're ostensibly commenting on before making silly comments that do not apply"<br /><br />I did read it and made an apt comment in reply.Strangerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17489942433860007521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15975119.post-8812954066505984502013-08-06T07:17:36.120-07:002013-08-06T07:17:36.120-07:00“You're stupid enough to find Swedenborg's...“You're stupid enough to find Swedenborg's logic sound so Robin shouldn't be too pleased.” (Stranger8:12 PM)<br /><br />Yes Stranger, I'm 'stupid' enough to be impressed by one of the top four intellects in recorded history. Pretty stupid hey? http://listverse.com/2007/10/06/top-10-geniuses/<br /> http://hem.bredband.net/b153434/Index.htm<br /><br />“*"The creation of natural things/things that exist naturally are, of course not under the jurisdiction of finite human minds but it is not difficult (and makes a lot of sense) to postulate the possibility of a universal, self-existing infinite mind from which and by which all of creation is modelled."* (RalphH)<br /><br />It is “simply not true” that you have all the facts necessary to make that definitive statement. It is merely your opinion”<br /><br />It would be really handy if you read what you're ostensibly commenting on before making silly comments that do not apply. “..... is not difficult ….to postulate the possibility of ….” doesn't even begin to look like a “definitive statement”.RalphH 07/08noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15975119.post-69946066742092437372013-08-06T05:33:22.475-07:002013-08-06T05:33:22.475-07:00"The “quantitative relationships” that mathem..."The “quantitative relationships” that mathematics explains would not cease to exist. They are implicit in the existence of the object" (MalcolmS7:15 PM)<br /><br />This is the hoary old chestnut that you will never understand, Ralph, because you go by indoctrinated childhood belief and cannot think for yourself.<br /><br />For a while there Malcolm I thought you were talking about yourself but then I looked up “hoary old chestnut” for clarification. I'm no more indoctrinated than you are and think for myself as you do. Our difference in in our assumptions and the basis of our thought.<br /><br />“You should learn the difference between *fact* and *truth* sometime.<br /><br />There are still facts in the absence of mind - that's what mind has to discover - but there is no truth.<br /><br />Truth requires mind - facts do not.”<br /><br />Looks like semantics to me. Dictionary.com #2 – truth = conformity with fact or reality; verity: I think you might be trying to make a distinction where there isn't one.<br /><br />“That's why you perpetuate the myth that there would still be *Love* zooming around the universe in the absence of all mindful beings, i.e., in the absence of lovers and the loved. That is an attribute of a real mystic.”<br /><br />“*Love* zooming around the universe”? What a silly idea! Love is not spatial. If one travels half-way round the world one can and does still love those at home and vice-versa without any 'zooming round the universe. <br /><br />There is nothing mystical about it. With a belief in God, there is never an absence of a mindful being because the eternal (God) is the source and infinite prototype of all finite human minds.RalphH 06/08noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15975119.post-50406886068778350082013-08-06T02:31:59.682-07:002013-08-06T02:31:59.682-07:008x
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It me...8x<br />...know what necessary means"<br />x8<br /><br />8x<br />It means *had to be.*<br />x8<br /><br />errr... actually toolshed<br /><br />It really means "has to be."...<br /><br />eg: A huge grin whilst reading your "comments" ;)<br /><br />has to be...Billy The Magic Cathttp://www.ordercostume.com/images/Cat105.JPGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15975119.post-57124516893552667752013-08-06T01:56:42.184-07:002013-08-06T01:56:42.184-07:008x
Given that electric toasters exist they had to ...8x<br />Given that electric toasters exist they had to be.<br />x8<br /><br />Given that "a particular" electric toaster exists, then it "had to be"<br /><br />"electric toasters" dont exist...<br /><br />lol ...Thought you would have known that...Billy The Magic Cathttp://images4.fanpop.com/image/answers/1136000/1136466_1291992673993.08res_285_300.jpgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15975119.post-15259010416120232582013-08-06T01:30:39.325-07:002013-08-06T01:30:39.325-07:00"True, but they are mutually inclusive and yo..."True, but they are mutually inclusive and you requested quantification."<br /><br />No they aren't. I can make a huge profit w/o being greedy, or I can be greedy and not want to make lots of money.<br /><br />Also you stated a qualitative equation, not a quantitative one.Strangerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17489942433860007521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15975119.post-87417848313378878242013-08-05T21:25:38.089-07:002013-08-05T21:25:38.089-07:00Mal: ... you will never understand, Ralph, because...Mal: ... you will never understand, Ralph, because you go by indoctrinated childhood belief and cannot think for yourself.<br /><br />Pot calls the kettle black. This statement applies as well to you as it does to Ralph. Except your indoctrination took place during Professor Finkelstein’s Monday night ‘objectivism for seniors’ classes in the town hall. Moreover, Ralph might have the edge on you in the ‘thinking for yourself’ stakes—I’ve never seen you say anything that wasn’t cobbled together from objectivist propaganda.<br /><br />By the way, I’ll bet Ralph’s not as stupid as you think. I’m sure he can see that ‘fact’ has four letters and ‘truth’ has five, and that that’s as much as can sensibly be said about it.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15975119.post-13848416409993538842013-08-05T20:35:16.958-07:002013-08-05T20:35:16.958-07:00"It means *had to be.*"
No it doesn'..."It means *had to be.*"<br /><br />No it doesn't.Strangerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17489942433860007521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15975119.post-70751922726243679322013-08-05T20:30:47.371-07:002013-08-05T20:30:47.371-07:00"So you don't know what necessary means&q..."So you don't know what necessary means"<br /><br />It means *had to be.*<br /><br />Given that electric toasters exist they had to be.<br /><br />The necessary/contingent issue in modern philosophy is a false distinction.MalcolmSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15975119.post-38760429329960404052013-08-05T20:27:34.049-07:002013-08-05T20:27:34.049-07:00"So you don't know what necessary means&q..."So you don't know what necessary means"<br /><br />It means *had to be.*<br /><br />Given that electric toasters exist they had to be.<br /><br />The necessary/contingent issue in modern philosophy is a false distinction.MalcolmSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15975119.post-79895598541561161892013-08-05T20:18:53.932-07:002013-08-05T20:18:53.932-07:00"So you don't know what necessary means&q..."So you don't know what necessary means"<br /><br />It means *had to be.*<br /><br />Given that electric toasters exist they had to be.<br /><br />The necessary/contingent issue in modern philosophy is a false distinction.MalcolmSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15975119.post-25793039306442231702013-08-05T20:12:41.502-07:002013-08-05T20:12:41.502-07:00"Although I'm not equipped to follow his ..."Although I'm not equipped to follow his computer modelling, I find Robin's logic quite sound."<br /><br />You're stupid enough to find Swedenborg's logic sound so Robin shouldn't be too pleased.<br /><br />"It is “simply not true” that you have all the facts necessary to make that definitive statement Malcolm. It is merely your opinion."<br /><br />When you write some bullshit about reality remember to read that statement Ralph as it applies to you all the time.<br /><br />"The creation of natural things/things that exist naturally are, of course not under the jurisdiction of finite human minds but it is not difficult (and makes a lot of sense) to postulate the possibility of a universal, self-existing infinite mind from which and by which all of creation is modelled."<br /><br />It is “simply not true” that you have all the facts necessary to make that definitive statement. It is merely your opinionStrangerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17489942433860007521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15975119.post-40546583015756775272013-08-05T20:06:36.650-07:002013-08-05T20:06:36.650-07:00"There are still facts in the absence of mind..."There are still facts in the absence of mind"<br /><br />No there wouldn't as there'd be no minds to determine facts.Strangerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17489942433860007521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15975119.post-82482635885480247472013-08-05T20:04:47.424-07:002013-08-05T20:04:47.424-07:00True, but they are mutually inclusive and you requ...True, but they are mutually inclusive and you requested quantification.MalcolmSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15975119.post-1191446482947773172013-08-05T20:04:20.256-07:002013-08-05T20:04:20.256-07:00"Since they exist, yes, they have to be - the..."Since they exist, yes, they have to be - they are necessary,"<br /><br />So you don't know what necessary means. Why am I not surprised?Strangerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17489942433860007521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15975119.post-10044422643337560452013-08-05T19:56:36.137-07:002013-08-05T19:56:36.137-07:00Greed is not the same as profit.Greed is not the same as profit.Strangerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17489942433860007521noreply@blogger.com